Monday, August 6, 2012

JACK HYLES' DAUGHTER REVEALS THE 'SECRET'



Some very disturbing (though not so surprising) news from the world of Independent Baptist churchdom came to light this past week.

The shining star predecessor of the immortalized Jack Hyles-- Jack Schaap-- recent pastor of First Baptist Church Hammond, Indiana, was finally caught extending his abusive reign to another level.  

The apparent crime as reported from various news and internet sources, confessed to by Schaap himself and validated by the church was of indulging in a sexual relationship with an already sexually abused minor under the guise of ‘counseling’. 

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Notice his arrogance in his last sermon before the 'revelation' 
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Predictably, there is and will continue to be a spiritual fallout of Hiroshimic proportions given the history, size and influence of this church and its roll-call of misbehaving leaders, followed by their shameful cover-ups.

But of particular interest to me is a related video that surfaced on facebook via Laura Moody, Cindy Kunsman and others featuring his daughter, Linda Murphrey, poignantly-transparently revealing her intense conflicts growing up as a child of her revered and idolized pope-like ‘pastor’ and father, Jack Hyles.

For all the evidence gathered, for all the personal testimonies, for all the literature and lectures about the effects of and recovery from spiritual abuse, there is no more potent validation than when the actual child of a cult icon finds his/her voice. 

I once wondered why the children of a knowingly abusive pastor/father will cling to him and his church once they have grown.  I have come to believe what I long suspected that there are three main ingredients.

Setting aside the natural love and loyalty any child has for a parent, the first is:

Fear that Daddy Preacher will make good on public and private threats of banishment from family, church and friends should they defect to another faith or life practices.

The second:  but less known reason could be and often is as Linda suggests, the Daddy Preacher literally does ‘own’ his children often having contributed to or being in control of their housing, job, reputation, future,  but most importantly....their identity. 

Finally, the child actually embraces and becomes-as evidenced by David Hyles’ life- what their Daddy Preacher is or was.  There is little hope that they’ll change then.

Watch and listen heart-fully as Linda describes what she has given up, what she has gained and what she has learned.



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  1. Cindy; I do not have to listen to Utube and hear this ladies problems with her father. it's a sad day when leaders of men fall into the depth of
    sin and It's a sad day when men abuse their children. These kind of things have been happening in our sin cursed world since the beginning and will continue until the Lord returns. But I will tell you what is worse and that is someone like you who supposely have that godly love in your heart to print your foolish accusations upon the "Independent Baptist preachers who lead Independent Baptist Churches" as though they were all evil,lustful,wicked child abusers who care only about their own fleshly desires. You who have evidently found a crutch wherein you can hide behind and play your self righteous self of accusations on people blanketly. You besmirch your own character by this endless tirade you feel compeled to do to others. You have not been appointed judge of Bible believing preachers unless you have your marching orders from the Devil. You see that IS his work. he does not know everything but he does know that there are no perfect people on this earth so he watches very carefully those who hold the truth and watches for every error he can find in anyone of them and hopes for someone like you who will expidite his hatred. Do you pray for your brother-in-law or wish him in hell? By the way is every football coach in America a pedophile because Jerry Sandusky is?

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    1. You sir are a ignorant person! I am a former member of that church..all said in the video is 100% true, and although we are not the appointed judge of any christian be it a preacher or a congregate member etc.. God will be the one to punish those that cause others to faulter and turn away from their opportunity for salvation because of what they are a witness to.

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    2. Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. God will be the final judge when we all will stand before Him. Because of Jesus and his blood I will stand redeemed. But until then when it comes to men such as the two Jacks we are to use righteous judgment.

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    3. We are to use righteous judgment. I get so tired of hearing "Christians" pull the "don't judge card", taking Jesus' words out of context and ignoring places in scripture that explain there is a proper judging that we ARE supposed to do. The right kind of judgment has to be done because it would be irresponsible not to. Imagine if everyone mistakenly believed the "don't judge" nonsense, and Jack Schaap got to walk because no one would properly judge (discern and call to action) what needed to be done with him for his terrible wrong. Paul said that the body of believers is to judge those who are on the inside, while God judges the outsiders. It's long overdue that many Christians get it into their heads that we are to judge righteously, properly, and stop talking like the world that doesn't understand the word of God when they say, "Don't judge." Jesus NEVER said "don't judge."

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    4. 'Righteous judgment' becomes very subjective when it goes beyond the limitations of scripture--when one on the 'inside' is actively, undeniably and without conscience hurting someone else--that is 'righteous judgment'.

      We don't judge motives and intents of the heart in matters that do not concern the well-being of others. Trouble is, many, many church leaders as well as immature members with their own agendas have the tendency to blur those lines. The 'proper' judging will yield justice towards others, not condemnation, prejudice, ostrasization and two-fold children of hell.

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  2. Anonymous,

    It is a sadder day when so many local churches elevate their pastors to the level of idolatry by not holding them accountable and allowing them to persecute the very people they are charged with shepherding. These "leaders of men" are the kind of men who have no problem at all publicly naming and condemning other IFB pastors for what the Taliban Preacher has termed "dipping their colors" while wresting scripture to justify their their own coercive, manipulative, hate-mongering, condescending, prideful and abusive uses of their 'spiritual' positions as well as their sins of the heart.

    I am all to well acquainted with the devastation they so smugly dismiss.

    You might want to know that there are many Independent, Fundamental Baptist pastors who do not take offense to what I write, since the 'shoe doesn't fit them' and who support and encourage me to continue. They understand as I that unbelievers need to see The Church admit and denounce the evil that exists within its ranks, NOT perpetuating the fallacy that somehow those who shout and exhibit their 'commandments of men' is the sure-fire way to insulate themselves from wickedness, but instead more readily sets them up to fail.

    As long as what I write is not slander meant to bring hurt instead of genuine consideration, but true acts, there is no way that I "besmirch my character". I write passionately because those who profess the name of Christ and possess the power to defame others are supposed to be held to a higher standard. Self-righteous? You must not have read where I have confessed my own guilt..

    I DO pray for my brother-in-law. I still grieve the fact that he has refused to even talk for the 9 years before I began writing til this day. This is a violation of Matt. 5: 23 as well as Matt. 18. My hope for him is that the "goodness of God" will lead him to repentance. I am sorry for his hurts, but more sorry for the irreparable damage he has done to the younger and weaker brothers and sisters. I don't wish "hell" for anybody.

    Is every football coach in America a pedophile because Sandusky is? Come on! You know better than that, don't you?

    I still marvel that the few who object to my writings accuse me of "hiding" while they who are so sure they are right, comment anonymously. Now THAT is revealing....

    But I do thank you for your charges. It gives me an opportunity to reply to similar questions that others might not bring up...for whatever reason.

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    1. In my experience with IFB churches, people are taught early on not to question, not make waves, but to just be quiet and listen and do what they're told. There are so many abusive IFB pastors (not all are, but many are--too many). They may not be engaging in physical or sexual abuse, but they are good at the emotional/psychological abuse, and they know how it works. What is truly the saddest thing to me about the "bad" IFB experiences many have is that too many people end up walking away from God when God is nothing like these horrible men. Jesus warned that there would be hirelings, false shepherds. They abound in great number today, but God never changes and He remains faithful and true, and one day He will judge these men according to their works.

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    2. You are so right. I know several who left the faith as a direct result of the Baptist Taliban's effects and even more as a result of other similar churches at large. This is an area of particular, personal grief for me.

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  3. Just a quick comment . . . I think many will post anonymously because they fear they will be targeted by the IFB hate groups that claim ALL Independent Baptist Churches are cults and need to be destroyed. It is distressing that these thing are happening, and I do believe that the devil is rejoicing over it, but to condemn all Independent Baptist Churches is like condemning food because some people are fat. I'm not saying that is what you are doing . . I'm simply saying that many ARE doing that very thing, and using you to further their end. I'm not against you! Just wanted to point something out. And yes . . I feel compelled to remain anonymous as well.

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    1. The point I was making, Anonymous 2, is not about posting anonymously, but accusing me or any other writer of "hiding so that I can "hide behind and play my self-righteous acts blanketly". The first "Anonymous" also made personal attacks on my character. Anyone can come on here and disagree, and even disagree passionately, but to do so by making such personal attacks 'anonymously' is cowardly and blind.

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  4. Anonymous 2 here. lol. I hope you know that I am not attacking you in any way. I am deeply disturbed over what is happening under the name of "Baptist" and the incredible damage it is having on people and the valuable significance of actual historic Baptist heritage in this country. I have a wonderful Baptist church that is simply trying to honor Christ and His Word and follow the great commission to win the lost. Being "independent" means that we claim the Scriptural right to govern and support ourselves according to our own view of the Scriptures . . . I believe that is "soul liberty" applied to the local church. Which means we will certainly have some small differences with others. The main thing is and always has been love for the brethren. By THIS shall all men know that ye are My disciples: by the love ye have one for another. I am not accusing you of anything at all, but what I am seeing in the vindictive frothing hatred from so very many toward anything IFB is nothing more than the fruit of bitterness. God forbid I should justify wrong doing or dismiss the suffering of those who have been abused and hurt by men who have fallen prey to the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life! The MUST be held responsible. But to lump in good men who have faithfully pastored their churches and preached the Word of God thru thick and thin, into a "cult" is neither honest nor intellectually sound. Again . . I'm NOT saying that is what you are doing!!! But many are.

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    1. Thank you, Anonymous 2 for your concern. I don't know how much of my blog you have read, but I believe I make it very clear that I do not lump all IFB in the same "cult" paradigm. My husband is pastor and leader of the Baptist Bible Fellowship Int. which still identifies itself as an IFB fellowship. There are many varieties of opinions within this group and I have many, many life-long very dear friends who are pastors and leaders in this group. Those who have nothing to hide have no fear of the truth.

      To speak out about spiritual and physical atrocities committed and covered up by any church or movement should never be presumed indicative of all within it. It seems that those who bring this up can only see it as either/or, black/white, you are either friend or enemy-no middle ground.

      I am ONLY against those who commit evil under the guise of 'spiritual authority'. Up until recently, with the onset and availability of internet connections most any complaint against a preacher, church, or church institution, fellowship or organization was automatically, categorically 'dismissed' or even rebuked as false, bitterness, speaking out against the 'man of God' and the 'work of God' . This has caused incalcuable damage to hundreds of thousands of people, including my dearest and most loved family members and friends.

      For those who feel a great obligation to the 'institutions', I have to ask, as one outspoken survivor of an abusive Baptist teen home put it, "What is their obligation to the victims?" I believe the time is long overdue for giving a voice to the victims. They are real and they are documented.

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  5. I'm glad that we can talk civil! lol. It hasn't been my experience lately. The reason I came across your blog was thru the torrent of malicious posts on my facebook page using Dr. Hyles' daughter as more ammo to discredit all Baptist churches and their "cult" members. I listened to her testimony . . how very very sad. I did hear her say that it was a good church in the beginning. And I remember, as a new Christian back in 1982, going to one of First Baptist's "Pastor Schools." I was only 3 months old as a Christian. The whole experience was actually an incredible blessing. Never went to another, but I would never have expected Dr. Hyles to be anything but what he appeared to be. Very sad. There is so much to be said about the repercussions of all this. Some who have a bone to pick with some church that they left are taking this and running with it to the intention of destroying everything "Baptist" even to the extent of lies and deception, becoming worse than what they are trying to destroy. Making "anonymous" tips to authorities about child abuse or financial misconduct which are false. Intercepting mail and correspondence looking for anything they can use against them. Nobody has a perfect life and there's always something in everyone's past that can be spun into a damaging piece of gossip. I'm not trying to put Scopp or Hyles into this category, but none of us are without sin and the accusers that I am referring to have plenty of their own. In my own church I have many who were victims of abuse . . . not in churches, but in their own homes under the hands of their own parents. And the victims of abuse by those that were in a position of authority and/or trust absolutely need to be cared for and not dismissed. I am in complete agreement with you there. I am taking the time to read more of your blog and I hope I will be able to remove the anonymous handle. But for now just know that there are many who are watching and waiting to pounce on any "Baptist" that happens to inadvertently get their attention. I personally know several of them who were once my friends, but who now would stop at nothing to destroy that which they once loved.

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    1. Cindy; I be annon (1) in this dialog. I will be brief: 1. I apologize to you that I attack your character not a good thing to do. I know you Cindy I know you are a good person.
      (2) You give all the accolades about your husband being a preacher associated with the BBF. You say you do not think all IB's are bad. But I always get the impression by your blog that you are anti IB. No one could read your numerous statements and get any other impression. But thats ok you've been hurt and only Cindy can handle that. Actually I am sorry I even replied to your blog so erase me and on with your life. (3) Believe it or not I will not be looking for a reply from you because Taliban Baptist is totally and completely out of my life. Too many interesting and uplifting places for me to go so I am sorry again that I commented on your blog. I have a favorite passage of scripture its found in Job 28:28. May we strive for that acchievement. Audios, I'd love to sign my name but to what end??

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    2. Anon 2,

      Sorry for the delay in answering. I understand your dilemma and hesitation at the revelations from the 'dark side' of what we all would like to believe was genuinely 'God-sent'. I believe that all that represents IFB-dom has enjoyed a measure of immunity from widespread criticism of its internal governance and handling of all things pertaining to its members. What is surfacing now, is an alarming amount of covering up of crimes and sexual abuses of children and adults who trusted those considered their 'spiritual authorities' and all for the sake of church autonomy.

      The time for protecting the 'institution' at the expense of individual people is and should be over. While I certainly would not condone the actions you described by anyone who might consider themselves a victim, I do understand that there are people who were victimized to the point of rape, molestations, horrendous physical abuses as children under the guise of 'correction' as well as relentless verbal attacks under the guise of 'sermons' are going to be incredibly angry. PTSD is very real in these situations. Those who have been so victimized are in danger of 'becoming what twisted them'. This is why the community of believers needs to acknowledge and denounce the acts that provoked this unfortunate consequence and try to reach out and reconcile the injured parties.

      While my husband and I were still in the Baptist Taliban, we were very defensive of any criticism of the church's and pastor's (and ours) extreme beliefs and practices. We refused to listen to what our own disquieted spirits were telling us about our brother-in-law's angry and antagonistic attitudes and behaviors...until it started adversely affecting our children. We were in denial for many years and it took a catastrophe to open our eyes. So, the point I am trying to make is, we were really only seeing things from the Baptist Taliban leadership's perspective. We had no real interest at all in what any questioning members were feeling. That all changed when we suddenly realized that our older children had then become the 'troubled' ones.

      It might help to instead of jumping on the defensive, though not excusing any hurtful behavior by victims, taking time to really listen to what they are saying putting yourself in their shoes. Might sound trite, but it is something that needs to be done more. Anyone would be railing if they had suffered some of the abuses these have. I hope I am making sense. It is late, and I fear I might be rambling.

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  6. Anon. 1,

    Your apology is most sincerely accepted. Thank you.

    To address your statement pertaining to my being "anti IB" --"No one could read your numerous statements and get any other impression" If you were to have said, "I, myself, can't read the numerous statements and get any other impression", then the statement would have been more credible since everyone has their own subjective way of interpreting what they read, but you seem to want to speak for all other readers.

    I just want to reiterate that I have a long list of Independent Baptist pastor friends who do read my blog and none have expressed that concern but to the contrary, have encouraged me to continue my writing. Anyone who has spent much time in the IFB movement knows and identifies with much of what I have written. My father-in-law, Ike Foster, buried his wife and then himself died after over 60 years on the mission field as an IFB missionary, yet he openly criticized much in the BBF while continuing as a BBF missionary. I can't say that I agreed with all of his complaints, but I can with all certainly appreciate the fact that he was honest about what he saw was problematic instead of turning blind eyes and deaf ears to them. Silence is consent.

    If God saw fit to expose the evils of those he called to do his work in the Bible for all the World to read, I can't see that he would expect any less of us--especially as the young, weak and vulnerable are victimized. No church or movement should be treated as so sacred that it can't be held to public scrutiny.

    I am happy to know that whatever your connection to that church is over. Please, you are welcome to comment any time. I welcome dissent. Much better information results from the back and forth of debate. I never objected to anonymity, just the use of it to insult and accuse.

    Blessings to you always.

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  7. This is the first time I have ever made a comment on any blog or forum and not used my full name as I am not usually ashamed of my opinions but I fear being misunderstood on this comment so will go without my identity. My thought was that poor Linda Hyles Murphy reminds me of her dad in her address. I felt like she was wooing and wowing her audience. Her voice, her movements and the entire scene seemed rehearsed and artificial. I am not saying I don't believe her but I just felt something wasn't right when I listened. I guess what I am trying to say is she reminded me of an actress. I feel bad in saying this as I have no doubt her homelife was miserable.

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    1. When a person is speaking before a crowd of professional business people, it is appropriate to be rehearsed. This is what is taught students in any public speaking course, so might you be just a tad prejudiced? Looks like from your remark, "reminds me of her dad" and the overall tone of your comment that you are pretty familiar with Hyles and his ways.

      Given her stated history of extreme discomfort in speaking publicly about her childhood and family, it is more than understandable that she would be guarded for fear of opening emotional flood gates. I certainly would If I had grown up under those circumstances.

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    2. I was in fear I would come across this way. I will clarify my relationship with the Hyles camp. My husband went to one pastor's school, saying he would never go again. We attended one church service and said we would never go again. That is our only contact with this cult except for hearing much about them and as far as being familiar with Hyles and his ways I would say many many Americans are familiar with his ways. If we weren't this probably would be a surprise to us. I certainly understand professionalism and agree with it. This was just a feeling I had, that is all. Any other information I have would not help Linda in the least.

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    3. "My thought was that poor Linda Hyles Murphy reminds me of her dad in her address. I felt like she was wooing and wowing her audience. Her voice, her movements and the entire scene seemed rehearsed and artificial. I am not saying I don't believe her but I just felt something wasn't right when I listened." (ANONYMOUS) I AGREE WITH YOU, I ALSO THINK IT IS SAD SHE HAS FORGOTTEN GODS WORD "Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." I AM SADDEN BY THESE MEN OF GOD THAT HAVE FALLEN...BUT THE WAY SHE COMES OUT A STATES HOW MANY AFAIRS HAPPEN...SHE DOES NOT KNOW ONLY GOD DOES AND THE SINNER HIM SELF...

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  8. Fuck Jack Schaap!!!!!!!!!!

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  9. Are you the lady who said you do not have a vendetta with Independent Baptists? Your first sentence: "Some very disturbing (though not surprising)news from the world of Independent Baptists came to light this week." That lady identifies you no matter what or who your husband identifies with in IB ranks.

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    1. Vendetta? No. I am the only one who can answer to whether I do or not. That sentence is referring to the very say fact that this kind of news is, though "disturbing", not surprising anymore. I watch the news and know too many similar stories. If there is any "vendetta", it is only directed at the guilty, and the dynamics that provoke such acts.

      It also amazes me how much anger is stirred by calling out the worshiped wolves while indifference to the victims.

      "Independent Baptist Churchdom" is what I view those specific churches who tolerate abusive, dictating, abusing preachers. Sorry if that offends you, but there just might be a reason for that?

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  10. Oooops left out a word Independent Baptist Churchdom is whay you said.

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    1. Ah. They have made it private now. A lot of the stuff related to HAC and Schaap have been removed. Sorry!

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  12. Cindy...truth is always best..this world is starving for it and I commend you for being willing to subject yourself to all of 'this'..didn't see the video before they took it private..will say that when the standards become anything less than the Christ that is so well illuminated in the scriptures we bring inevitable failure upon ourselves..I say this relating to how we tend to elevate men to being higher than the Gospel itself...I am deeply sorry for the life you were subjected to..But..a true testimony to the power of the Word of God that you are, I hope, able to get some sort of closure here.. I believe your accounts of all that took place...I believe the Sumner article as well..I am amazed that it took these many years to get the exposure that is has..thank you for your candor and God Bless you and your husband as you continue serving the Lord..Mark Anglin

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  13. sorry for the mislead..Cindy, I thought you were Linda..so, I wish all that I said above for you ..and Linda...if you read this...I am sorry for all this...their is still absolute truth...its a shame that men\people get in the way of it..not all Baptist Churches are like the one you grew up in..and the arrogance and pride was evident in all that we read about..Prov 16:18 Pride.....Ezek 8 gives us an idea about what God sees...my, my ...to have to stand before the Lord and give account of this..reminder to us all that Gal 6:7 cannot be usurped...

    BTW...I am no saint either..just sayin though..Mark (again)

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    1. Thank you, Mark, for the kind words that were for me. I hope Linda reads those that were for her. I agree. Not all Baptist, or even Independent Fundamental Baptist are like that. I am very thankful for the many that I know are not....

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  14. Wow! This is certainly a lot to take in. I grew up in FBC Hammond, and I was in the same grade with Linda Hyles. I have to say that I am so thankful to the Lord that He opened my eyes to the wrongness of this cult soon after graduating from high school (HBHS). I wish I could watch Linda's testimony, and I wish I could email her and affirm her in her "coming out" from this cult. I'm sorry that she has forsaken all of her faith, for I have not. It's a difficult path after growing up in that church--I can't imagine the difficulty having grown up right in his house. Folks, pray for Linda; pray for Cindy; pray that the Word of God will do it's work in that church and in that family. Make me Anonymous75

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    1. I wish you could watch it too. It was compelling. Perhaps you can contact her through her professional blog?

      http://coachingthebestyou.com/Home_Page.html

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    2. you should know the truth and the truth should make you free. What you focus expands. She sounds very bitter and full of nothing else. We have the power of choice to be a victim or a victor. She just wants the cash to feed herself, like the prodigal son was feeding the swine to eat after he had spent everything he took from his father before he came to himself.

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    3. Yeah, I guess you would know, huh....

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  15. Cindy,
    I was raised in the church and left as soon as I was of age. Not to long after you left! I went to school with David and all the others. In fact I was a first year student at the High School in Ross Township. I knew and so did a lot of young kids. Anonymous doesn't work for me. My Name is Robert A. Rhodes Jr.

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    1. Just to clarify, I, the author of this blog and Cindy Hyles Murphrey are not the same people. That aside, Thanks for your transparency Robert! I hope love, peace, happiness and prosperity followed you for leaving!

      Cindy Foster

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    2. Make that *Cindy Hyles*. LInda Hyles Murphrey is her sister, of course.

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  16. Greetings from Stephen Mitchell. Thank you so very much for the video. It is good to hear that one of the Hyles family has been freed from such evil. My wife and I attended Hyles-Anderson the first year it started, as an engaged couple, and did not return after the first year.
    We were very puzzled by so very many things we saw that did not match the public statements and teachings of Hyles and the school. So much did not make any sense until we read the article in the Fundamentalist many years later exposing Hyles' affair. I had the unenviable joy of Linda's dad castigating me in a long message one Wednesday night (I think it was a Wednesday). Fortunately, I did not know at the time that I was this wicked, depraved student who had said such a wicked thing about the great, saintly Hyles. (I won't go into the actual comment I was falsely accused of saying). At the close of the message I went to his office to meet with him, not knowing it was to be accused of something. He, for the first time, asked me if I had said such a thing, I denied it, and I was sent back to the school. The whole circumstances, the aftermath, and so on is another sordid story I won't go into but nothing about the student's future that he had screamed (literally) and hollered about, beating on the pulpit, that was going to happen to this student THAT VERY NIGHT happened. But, never was a retraction made nor a correction.
    That was typical Hyles/School behavior. A confrontation with David Hyles and many other major inconsistencies seen in the school and the church opened our eyes to the true nature of the whole scenario. Again, glad to see Linda made it out safe.

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  17. Im sorr y but i will like you to listen to a preaching from jack hyles called "am i my brother keeper" and im 15 and everyone knows this is a problem, and its disgusting, and wrong(though i dont believe jack schapp did this). we fundamentals are strict but were strict (apparently) but we do it because satan is a hungry lion out there that will do anything to take this world to hell and if he did this its wrong and take him to jail and he'll feel guilty and ask for forgiveness by GOD but we can all one day do the same. Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

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  18. And jack hyles Is a man not a god. of course hell do sin. im not afraid to show myself so say anything you want to me

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  19. I know a young man that had an IFB pastor for a father. He did not have a good childhood.

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  20. I have followed this story because I am sad for the church and all the believers. The aethiests want the catholic church sued out of existence, there are battles between supposed bible churches.
    I hope to continue to Be strong in the faith we each have with our savior, and do not rely on man alone. Jesus said "come unto me all you that are..." So he invites me to come to him, not to another man or preacher.
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  21. How about an "update"? Either way...

    While the proverbial dust is continuing to settle so to speak, Linda is in the process of writing a book (This is being penned June 5, 2013 and the 1st 2 chapters are currently avail online).

    Although it's not a "tell all", I u/stand it is not the same 'ole, same 'ole that keeps getting tossed out, but rather information that should prove to be new to most readers.

    It very well may make a believer out of those who stand on the fence as to whether or not she has been forthcoming, and whether or not the information that has been circulating for years is indeed the truth.

    I would wager a bet, that there are many who may verbally deny all the events but in their heart they believe it all to be true. Isn't that the same as those who live in denial about certain things for years or who suppress the truth for one reason or another?

    Let me move on. I guess the final chapter of all of this won't be known till glory, but at that point, who will care, right? :)

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  22. Hi Cindy. I was also raised on the Baptist faith and its doctrines and everything else that is related to the word "Baptist." When I heard the news about Jack Schaap I was shocked and so was my family. Coincidentally, at the time of Schaap's trial we were kicked out of a church we've been attending for 3 years shepherded by a Hyles-Anderson College alumna. Anyway, that's beside the point. I just wanted to know your reaction on Bob Gray Sr's response to Linda's letter, especially this part:

    Why do we believe a Linda Murphrey’s attacks against her parents when she is associating with heretics and blasphemous people who attack the virgin birth, the King James Bible, and love buddhism, etc. She glorifies drinking liquor. She sees nothing wrong with living in adultery. What she accuses others of is exactly what she is doing with her life. Ironic!

    She boldly one day brought her live in male to her moms place at a family gathering and in the front of all the family shouted, “Hey mom we are living together.” She was throwing it into the face of her godly mom. What a brat! And this is your source?

    You say isn’t this gossip itself? NO! I’ll tell you why because these are her own words as well as her female cohorts.

    Why doesn’t she open up and tell the world of her adultery, her fornication, her forgeries, her immorality. If she really wanted to come clean she should start with her own life and then quit blaming others. She didn’t learn that lifestyle from her parents. She chose that lifestyle and then blames her parents. CRAZY!

    Ref.: http://dorightchristians.wordpress.com/2013/04/02/jack-hyles-legacy-fact-or-fiction-linda-murphys-open-letter-to-fbc/
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    I don't know Linda personally so I'm not in any position to say anything bad or good about her. But I was also shocked to know these things about her. I can't help but feel like everyone involved has got himself/herself a defendant on their cases so it's like a never-ending battle. The great Dr. Hyles still has loyal supporters, Linda has her own defendants as well. Jack Schaap is out of the question, he was guilty. And although we people who have less to say because we just want to leave it all to God don't want to react, I can't help but find answers to the questions I've always had.

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    1. Ajang B.,

      It is very common when one grows up in a blatantly hypocritical church/home situation to seriously question and even completely reject ALL the beliefs of that church. There were many, many credible allegations about Jack Hyles' extramarital affair, and no one would know better than his daughter. All things considered, she deserves to be heard and it shouldn't surprise anyone that the church has lost its credibility with her.

      Bob Gray's response is so typical of IFB leaders who throw dirt on anyone exposing their abuses. Instead of owning and dealing with 'the real problem', the messenger becomes 'the problem'.

      There is no question that Jack Hyles has been elevated far above what any mere human can be without being in serious danger of becoming a narcissist. Bob Gray, as so many IFB preachers I have known, is one of those guilty of this.

      A great book that deals with the dynamics of this kind of spiritual abuse in detail is Jeff Vanvonderen's book, "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse". The patterns exposed there are undeniable.

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    2. There's nothing great about Dr. Jack Hyles voice from a long ago that went to the high school and the church took many abuses beatings from people that were living in horrible sin

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